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@Eastenerwesterner I mentioned this smoker previously, this guy was a fire chief and/or fighter, and he designed this smoker to use this defuser design. Goldie's BBQ in TX used an elbow design, this is supposed to eliminate the hot spot that most offset smokers get. He was also using a modified Weber Smokey Mountain when he designed this.



I have much of the materials, including this propane tank.

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And this cylinder.

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There is some irony to the 3/8" cylinder...that is sure heavy...but I bought it from a guy that made smokers, and that pretty much told me there wasn't very much money in making smokers. I think you'd really have to build a clientele... This is what I have been planning to use, and I need some sheet still.
 
Some interesting concepts.
I will say I am not a fan of his air intake system. It seems too much air to control fire and heat. A simple sliding door in the main firebox door would control intake better.
His wind deflector wouldn’t work in my positioning because my firebox door faces west.
A feature that I have is a door on the top of the firebox . It comes in handy for evenly spreading coals
A half rack above the main rack also come in handy for temp control in the cook area
 
Some interesting concepts.
I will say I am not a fan of his air intake system. It seems too much air to control fire and heat. A simple sliding door in the main firebox door would control intake better.
His wind deflector wouldn’t work in my positioning because my firebox door faces west.
A feature that I have is a door on the top of the firebox . It comes in handy for evenly spreading coals
A half rack above the main rack also come in handy for temp control in the cook area
The reason I like it, is that he tested the heat and it's even across the entire pit, and what he says makes a lot of sense in how the air moves. This is definitely an improvement over a standard offset. Is it better? I don't know, but the design is intriguing to me.

Do you see a hot spot where the firebox enters the pit? That seems to be proven many times over. 🤷‍♂️

This is what I use, with a discontinued "Stoker".

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My right hand side runs 25 degrees hotter than left hand. I adjust.
I like the flares in and out for distribution

This is a better air control. Think what an airtight woodstove would have.

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My right hand side runs 25 degrees hotter than left hand. I adjust.
I like the flares in and out for distribution

This is a better air control. Think what an airtight woodstove would have.

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How is that different? In Kerry's design he uses vents also, so it limits the air, but the defuser prevents the heat at the pit entry. His pit basically eliminates that 25 degree hot spot.

I understand what you're saying about an air tight smoker, that's one of the big advantages of the Webers, even the Kettles seal around the edge. It still presents a problem when the lid is opened, since the firebox is underneath the food in the same pit, essentially. Compare that with a Brinkman, they don't seal at all, and they don't smoke very well either, because they get too hot from air entering and not being able to control the air properly. Because my coals and meat are in the same chamber, I use hardwood lump charcoal, not green oak.

I'm not trying to debate you, just saying that I don't see how limiting the air flow will change that hot spot of 25 degrees, but that if you avoid it, it will not be an issue.

That said, most offsets are big enough that one can move the meat away from that hot spot, so that it's not used..
 
This is how he controls the airflow, by propping the door open
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You said you wanted to make one. I was giving you some design hints based on years of having a smoker
 
This is how he controls the airflow, by propping the door open
Most all of the offsets I've seen use a similar way of holding the firebox door open.
You said you wanted to make one. I was giving you some design hints based on years of having a smoker
And I appreciate it. I have been looking at smokers and believe I understand most of them, including Aaron Franklin, and a vast array of other offsets made from propane tanks, but Aaron was the first and he transformed the BBQ competitions. The reason I'm building one eventually, is that I most likely won't spend $3k-$5k on an offset, and most are just too big for me, I don't plan to cook for catering, just myself/family/friends.

The guy that taught me how to do the tri-tip, also spent half his time with his dad in Hawaii. He was renting the house next door to my first house in Van Nuys, CA. Once we dug hole in his backyard to roast a pig. It was a great experience, I seem to remember he got the pig from a Chinese butcher in L.A. I would put a feral pig in a smoker, sometimes people put them on a rottissere. Feral pigs are not like domestically raised pigs, a lot less fat, and no belly/bacon for the most part.

It's all good, IMO, we're just sharing recipes for the most part. Pretty simple, you don't need to come over to my place after I build my smoker. ;) I'll still use one of your recipes, I'm not too proud. :)
 
Here's a fairly straight forward offset smoker done with cylinders, designed by Jeremy Yoder: (linky pic)

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Lots of similar builders, they don't actually build that themselves, but someone else does. Not a bad price, but still more than I would spend. Fat Stack in SoCal, Goldie's in TX, and a slew of others. My plan is to cut mine down to the length of Kerry Mooney's design, and use sheet metal for the ends. The traditional style to connect the firebox and pit were using the end of a large propane tank, so people would build large 500 gallon and 1000 gallon propane smokers on trailers. Aaron describes this design in this video.

 
These smokers look amazing. I had a cheap offset smoker, and the temperature varied a lot. Instead of fixing it, I threw it away. I have always had a BBQ and smoker of some sort. Some of what I BBQ I bring, except for eggs, vegetables, and cheese; I brine. I used to go out of my way on the brines; today I have two recipes. one for salmon, one for everything else.
I acquired a broken stand-up freezer. 3ft X 2ft X 6ft, and one big door. Gutted it to just the outer sheet metal. Put brackets to hold the old wire shelves. With a hot plate and a small fry pan to burn wood chips. A whole raw turkey would smoke for 24 hr, come out tasting like ham. Cheese was easy as the temp was sub 90 near the sides. I live in the suburbs in a tract house, have for 50 years. After a smoke, my house, my neighbor's house smelled like someone had been smoking fish for a day. The smell would linger for a week. My darling wife's comments would linger for longer. I used to fish and SCUBA dive a lot. I smoked for others as I could put half a cow in it. I was once given 50 bonita, brine, and smoke. That was a chore. Smoked Bonita is very satisfying. One or two bites and most are done. I was given a choice: get rid of the big smoker or don't get lucky. Call me a wimp, no, call me " Luck Wimp".
 
My smoker used to be next to a sliding glass door. I built a patio 30ft from corner of house for it and my grill. It is far enough away

New place I am going further away. Was going to build another patio. I decided to convert 8x16 poured pad with a small shed off the end of it for smoking wood The area used to used for a 4H pig stall a few years ago.
 
These smokers look amazing. I had a cheap offset smoker, and the temperature varied a lot. Instead of fixing it, I threw it away. I have always had a BBQ and smoker of some sort. Some of what I BBQ I bring, except for eggs, vegetables, and cheese; I brine. I used to go out of my way on the brines; today I have two recipes. one for salmon, one for everything else.
I acquired a broken stand-up freezer. 3ft X 2ft X 6ft, and one big door. Gutted it to just the outer sheet metal. Put brackets to hold the old wire shelves. With a hot plate and a small fry pan to burn wood chips. A whole raw turkey would smoke for 24 hr, come out tasting like ham. Cheese was easy as the temp was sub 90 near the sides. I live in the suburbs in a tract house, have for 50 years. After a smoke, my house, my neighbor's house smelled like someone had been smoking fish for a day. The smell would linger for a week. My darling wife's comments would linger for longer. I used to fish and SCUBA dive a lot. I smoked for others as I could put half a cow in it. I was once given 50 bonita, brine, and smoke. That was a chore. Smoked Bonita is very satisfying. One or two bites and most are done. I was given a choice: get rid of the big smoker or don't get lucky. Call me a wimp, no, call me " Luck Wimp".
I've tried all types of stuff...I've simmered them, cooked them in the oven with liquid smoke, boiled, broiler/oven, par-boiled, etc...but for me, so far I can get the best results from my WSM using the Stoker I have. I have an old model that doesn't have wifi, but in the past I set it up to operate over the wifi so I could monitor from anywhere in the house. The stoker is an embedded device, similar to a BBQ Guru, if you've heard of them? The Stoker used a special probe, so that's the part that nobody can get, the probe has a tag in it to operate. The probes are used on grill, or meat. The grill attaches to the grill so provides temps of meat at the grill. The meat proper provides you with the internal temp of the meat. This is very helpful to see the stall.

I use all Webers. I have a 14-1/2" Smokey Joe, a 22-1/2" Kettle (Performer), and an 18-1/2" Weber Smokey Mountain. The fact that the Webers seal properly, and allow you to maintain the temp is what makes them very flexible. I can use my same adapter for the Stoker fan on the Kettle. My landlord has a 14-1/2" Smokey Mountain, so the Smokey Joe gets a middle section, which adds a 2nd grill and water pan.

I think grilling smoke is more potent than the smoker. I usually try to keep my smoker at 275 degrees, as a balance between patience and finishing. Setting at 225 will take FOREVER! When I grilled steaks at my last house, I've had rats cover over the fence to the BBQ. When they realize there's a human, they do a sharp 90 degree...I always made sure I cleaned up good. That includes the probes.

There are a couple styles I haven't tried, and I would like to.

Santa Maria style with adjustable grill height. This is a different type of cooking where you adjust the height to change heat on the meat, but the meat moves. Brazilian/Argentinian style moves the meat like Santa Maria style.

Offset that uses green oak. I have never cooked with green, with a separate fire pit. I don't know if I will like this or not, but I currently am happy with the results I get from the WSM. If I never built a smoker, it probably won't change the fact that I like to cook with fire. To complicate it for me, I use separators in the Kettle so I can use direct/indirect appropriately. The WSM is only indirect, but I have been known to grill food direct, after smoking it. My wife and daughter get decent results in the broiler/oven, and I eat it...but they don't come close to the WSM, and they do baby backs, I only cook St. Louies in the WSM. I have done baby backs in the past, but they're not my favorites.

Another square style that Chud's BBQ makes. He build them himself.
 
Since we're talking about various smoking styles, I changed the title of this thread.

This is a nice setup, Santa Maria with rotisserie and a grill on the end. He also put fireboxes under the Santa Maria, making it dual purpose on that pit. Nicely done, he used to do these in solid stainless, so it was food grade.

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About 5 years ago, we did the Hatch Chilly festival in New Mexico, then dropped down to Texas to Franklin's BBQ. For two weeks, we went from BBQ to BBQ. A few times, we did two joints on the same day. I have high cholesterol, and after two weeks of BBQ, it was higher. Opies BBQ was probably my fav.
It's fun and challenging to cook. It's all so a treat to get served by pros.
 
About 5 years ago, we did the Hatch Chilly festival in New Mexico, then dropped down to Texas to Franklin's BBQ. For two weeks, we went from BBQ to BBQ. A few times, we did two joints on the same day. I have high cholesterol, and after two weeks of BBQ, it was higher. Opies BBQ was probably my fav.
It's fun and challenging to cook. It's all so a treat to get served by pros.
One of the local restaurants went to Franklin twice to get tips for their meats. They use offset pits. They have an amazing tri-tip cooked low/slow, different from how I do mine with Bernsteins. Another place in Pleasant Hill and Martinez had Aaron Franklin come out to do a hands on class that he taught. They used to be in Oakland. They have some of the best brisket around the Bay Area, Slow Hand BBQ. Good St. Louie ribs also, but the brisket sandwich is XLNT, comes with mac-n-cheese and a drink for $15.😋 Not too much bread, I'm not crazy about a lot of bread.
 
A few years ago, I would watch shows like Firemasters. One of the Judges was a guy who owned a couple places in LA and Santa Monica. On a trip back there I went and tried. Very disappointed. I can do better.
A place I tried that I really liked was a Cajun restaurant in Chinatown. Why would someone put a Cajun restaurant in Chinatown. Because the previous Chinese restaurant already had smokers in it. Their Blackened Shrimp Po Boys were to die for.
 
Yeah, I don't know any good 'que restaurants down in Santa Monica area, and I worked by the airport for a couple years. I would go to Rae's Diner in a heartbeat though. :) Classic...there are only a few places left, and BBQ has never been on the top of the L.A. area list. In Chinatown I would go to ABC for dim sum, or NBC in Monterey Park.

I can only think of one place left in the San Fernando Valley, where I grew up...it's called Hogly Wogglies, on Sepulveda, close to Rosco...my younger sister, who lives in Seattle area loves that place also...me and a friend used to get rib dinners when we could go watch Gretsky played for the Kings, in those days...you Eastern folk are much more appreciative of Hockey.:)
 

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